The Third Man: Lamont Peterson W12 Amir Khan

AUTHOR: | IN: Boxing | COMMENTS: 81 Comments |

****

In a shocking upset, Lamont Peterson, as much as a 9-1 shortender on some books, scored a split decision over Amir Khan after 12 grueling rounds at the Convention Center in Washington, D.C. Final scores, effected by referee Joe Cooper, were 113-112, 113-112 and a completely ludicrous 110-115. Cooper deducted two points from Khan for shoving and, in doing so, created the latest in a series of weekly boxing scandals.

It should be pointed out clearly—without any of the idiotic bawling that makes following boxing a chore—that Khan held excessively, pushed Peterson down by the head repeatedly, stopped the action with several half nelsons, and, yes, pushed or shoved Peterson over 40 times. In addition, Khan even grabbed Peterson around the waist and, at one point, his thighs. Peterson committed a few infractions of his own, but nothing compared to the Greco-Roman maneuvers Khan tried to empretzel him with all night.

It took two rounds for Peterson, 140, to get comfortable against Khan, who looked sharp early, even scoring a phantom knockdown in the first. As soon as Peterson started pressuring and winning exchanges in close, however, Khan began his shoving routine, drawing his first warning from Cooper in the third round, when Peterson landed hard shots—particularly to the body—from bell to bell. Peterson started the fourth with a pair of jabs and a straight right, and Khan, 139, began shoving again, doing so, it seems, in direct proportion to Peterson’s success.

In the following round, for example, Khan dominated with clean combination punching, neat footwork, and an accurate jab. He did not shove Peterson once, an indication of his comfort level. In the sixth, however, Peterson began bullyragging him again, and out came a couple of blatant shoves. Cooper can clearly be heard telling Khan, “Last warning: stop pushing.” But Khan, Bolton, Lancashire, United Kingdom, repeated this inelegant move several times in the seventh, and Cooper deducted a point—rightly so if you care about a clean fight; an outrage if you are interested only in peddling your prejudices.

What is really strange about the whole situation is that despite having a point deducted, Khan raised his shoving tactics to a new level, pushing Peterson away repeatedly in the 9th, 11th, and 12th rounds. Cooper barked “Stop pushing!” twice in the 11th, but Khan was oblivious and turned the final round into a mosh pit as well, throwing in a headlock for good measure. Of course, it is the curious timing of the second penalty that stands out–the last round is not exactly the best time to deduct points in a close fight.

But the real issue is not that Cooper cost Khan the win, but that Khan struggled so mightily with a fighter who had not been overly impressive in the two biggest starts of his career, against Tim Bradley and Victor Ortiz. Peterson, Memphis, Tennessee via Washington, D.C., neglected his jab, waded in recklessly at times, and threw wide punches more often than congress fails to agree on a bill. Peterson fought at an accelerated pace, adding a little extra oomph to his general competence, but he is no world-beater, and seeing Khan being abused along the ropes and smacked around in the corners was surprising. Khan, 25, suffered torments when Peterson took advantage of his two biggest flaws: his bizarre habit of stopping out of the blue, putting his hands up, and allowing his opponent to hack away at him, and a complete inability to fight on the inside.

Peterson warred with zest in the middle rounds, steadily tattooing Khan to the body. When Khan played mannequin against the ropes, Peterson, 27, worked him over with hooks and uppercuts in the trenches. At these moments, Khan sought to hold, push, or grab Peterson around the neck. Now and then he would pivot out of danger, but more often than not he just stood there taking punishment, occasionally with defiance, but allowing an opponent to run off uncontested shots is not going to reflect well on the scorecards. Khan boxed well at times and landed several quick flurries, including a few punctuated by his own vicious bodyshots. Khan also rocked Peterson in the ninth with a blistering right, but his follow-up was sloppy, and Peterson survived to do his own thumping moments later.

Peterson, who improves to 30-1-1 (15), wound up winning because of the two lost points, something no real fight aficionado wants to see, but Khan was spoiling repeatedly and what he did—over and over again—is technically illegal. Not that Cooper was Kenny Bayless in the ring, but pesky as he was throughout, Cooper was consistent in what many believe was his inconsistency. When the fighters fell into a clinch, Cooper called for them to fight out of it. Correct. When it was clear that Khan was stalling and holding, Cooper ordered him to let go. Correct. When Khan blatantly shoved Peterson, Cooper admonished him. Correct. When Khan grabbed Peterson around the neck, Cooper warned him against doing so. Correct. Could the problem be that Khan held, shoved, and grabbed Peterson too much?

Now Cooper, predictably, will be vilified. But ask yourself this: What kind of a hometown referee scores a phantom knockdown against the house fighter in the first round? Or threatens the local corner with a point deduction as Cooper did to the Peterson crew prior to the start of the sixth? Cooper probably should have called a time-out to give Khan a stern warning. But would that have mattered? As noted earlier, even after Khan lost the first point, he redoubled his slam dance efforts. Whether you think what Khan did was a ring misdemeanor or a ring felony is irrelevant. The fact is, Khan was told repeatedly to stop shoving, and he refused to comply.

For years we have heard that HBO fighters and promotional darlings are protected. Now, we get a connected money fighter who loses, and we have to hear about some other kind of scheme. More than ever boxing— the only sport in the world whose rules are interpreted based solely on the biases and prejudices of its spectators—suggests a quote from William Kennedy: “We are all in a conspiracy against the next man.”

Ironically, many felt that Khan managed to survive his bout with Marcos Maidana last year because referee Joe Cortez seemed to interfere with Maidana at every turn. Even more surreal—but what boxing has been reduced to recently—Khan has now been involved in four “controversial” fights in succession: against Maidana (Cortez being Cortez); against McCloskey (quick stoppage); against Zab Judah (“low blow”); and now against Peterson. Not since Cain slew Abel, it seems, has a confrontation ended clearly. Khan coldly dismissed the complaints of the losers in each of these bouts, but when the turn of the screw went against him, he showed no class in post-fight interviews.

The deluge of tears will only get worse when Golden Boy Promotions—who own the biggest diapers in boxing—get started on their sob campaign. Khan, now 26-2 (18), loses little here, despite the weeping and gnashing, because he engaged in an exciting fight with a solid challenger and had the crowd roaring throughout.

With the win, Peterson realizes a dream that, like most dreams perhaps, must have seemed out of reach when he was a child living on the streets of Washington D.C. Not even boxing—unforgiving, unfair, unmerciful—ought to begrudge him that.

****

Follow The Cruelest Sport on Twitter & Facebook and help form a super-committee powerful enough to save boxing from cliche-mongers and the semi-literate!

Tags: , , , ,


Post comment as twitter logo facebook logo
Sort: Newest | Oldest
PhilS 8 pts

Great article Carlos. I couldn't agree more, and saw that video yesterday. Khan using the push is nothing new. He has been using the push as a defensive and offensive mechanism for years. I recall seeing it as he was coming up in the UK pushing guys clear across the ring. As has been mentioned on here in the past, Khan cannot fight inside, and when someone gets in close, he pushes him off. He also pushes at the end of a combo to prevent counters.

Tim in Iowa can attest, in the second round I noted that Khan was getting away with major pushing again and creating an unfair advantage. He got plenty of warning, and after all, these are professionals--how many warnings do you need, and as you pointed out, it didn't even stop Khan---and the video points out that even after the SECOND point deduction, he still did it. He simply knows no other way, imo.

One more point to rail against GBP and the conspiracy theorists--i know a couple of professional boxing referees, and they always laugh at conspiracy theories. They mention that they want to do the best job possible so that they can get more assignments. That makes more sense than protecting a hometown fighter.

stevenfromwashington 7 pts

PhilS

Thanks, PhilS, for the insight on Khan's formative years. If pushing is deeply ingrained in his style as you suggest, it will be interesting to see how he and Freddy react to the curtain being thrown back on this tactic. Because it will now forever be a focus of people's rabid attention, and by extension, an active agent in the psyche of the presiding referee.

Truth be told, I like a well-placed push- particularly when preceded by a pivot and followed by punching- against a smotherer like Bradley, or a walk-down zombie like Margarito. To my wife's chagrin, I'm forever screaming, "push that motherfucker!", which she cooly reminds me is against the rules.

Hopkins, for example, is a master pusher, and he used this tactic to great effect against Trinidad, Tarver, and Pavlik, thwarting their aggression and positioning himself to hit them from angles. Khan's employment of this move, though, was superfluous, and he was rightly checked. Good call, Carlos.

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

PhilS

Hi Phils,

Thanks. A strategic push here and there is no big deal to me. Back before gloves were thumbless pillows, fighters used their hands in all sorts of interesting ways, from Pep walking opponents around by the elbow to Frtizie Zivic's--more extreme--choking his foes. Many of Khan's pushes were no big deal, but the lunging shoves were over the edge. Add them to the headlocks, cliches, and hugs and you get a dirty fighter, basically. I'm surprised so many people are interested in defending an, for lack of a better term, unmanly style like that.

Yes, the big issue here, to me, is that Khan refused to comply with the referee. It's as simple as that. The comparison to NBA ticky-tack fouls is facile. A double-dribble or a hand check will either be called or it will not. And if it is, you get the foul called on you. And the basketball player will make sure not to do it again once he realizes he has an official who will call fouls. In boxing, there are warnings and warnings and then comes the point deduction, which is what happened here. Khan failed to adjust and paid for it.

I, too, was watching the fight and saying out loud to the TV: "Stop holding!" and "Stop shoving!" I was glad when Cooper called the first point and it's strange to see that some folks thinks it's hunky-dory to hold, grapple, push, and shove. I guess that's what boxing has come to these days.

Don't get me started on Golden Boy. What a bunch of fools they are, with a transvestite president, for crying out loud!

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

@Judas66 and sugar_sam

I hear both of you. But watch this video put together by my buddy John Chavez at The Boxing Truth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEpQpOU5i8w

It's a pretty good argument for the point deductions.

judas666 5 pts

I believe Khan won...he pretty much controlled the first 3 rounds and won, I believe, 4 more rounds. Khan did have difficulty with the crafty Peterson at times and should have definitely obeyed the referee's commands of "No pushing". One has to beg the question - why didn't the ref just simply warn Khan loudly and eye to eye about the pushing? Refs generally shout many instructions ("no holding!", "watch your head" or "keep 'em up") during bouts. If the infractions continue, generally refs will give the the offending fighter a good, stern warning. He was a competent ref for the most part, in controlling the action, but it just seems so curious that this one wouldn't give the actual verbal warning to an offending fighter.

sugar_sam 6 pts

I have to take some issue with what you're saying. Boxing, like basketball, would often be less enjoyable to watch if the ref insisted on making an issue of EVERY single possible violation. There has to be judgement and discretion in application of the rules.

I was more offended by Khan's holding than I was by his pushing. In my view, pushing is at least an aggressive act, insomuch it's used by the man who prefers fighting at a distance to create some space to land his own punches.

I recall Shane Mosley using his physical strength to push Margarito and then immediately use the space created to land huge punches in their fight of a few years ago. I thought Cotto copied some of that approach in his recent fight against Margarito. Indeed, the HBO announcers indicated it was a valuable enhancement to his gameplan from the 2008 fight (and inspired by the Mosley fight), one that prevented Margarito at times from endlessly coming forward, which is, of course, Tony's preferred mode.

These are the two that come most easily to mind, but there are certainly other cases. Maybe I missed something but how come it was good strategy and execution on the part of Cotto and Mosley, but an enforceable foul when Khan did it?

petzi2011 5 pts

Good article man. I really enjoyed reading it. Most sites are kissing Amir's ass. I don't hate Khan, I like Khan as much as I like Lamont. However, I always thought that Khan was overrated. I'm starting to see that when it comes to boxing, one just has to be a good athlete. Khan reminded me of Jermaine Taylor. I'm not saying that Taylor is sorry, but with him there was no solid skill set. There was only one dimension. Once someone penetrates that dimension it's over. He had trouble with Mcclosky here and there when they were close. He should have knocked Mcclosky's head clean off with his size advantage. In addition, he fights in a stupid manner. This guy will back straight up from his opponent. That's why he got caught in the Maidana fight. He should know better. Whatever happened to circling your opponent. I knew that Khan would have trouble with Lamont's pressure. If i'm not mistaken, when the ref said "next time i'm taking a point", he allowed Amir to push twice before he deducted a point. I know that they don't think that this was a set up. I doubt that Barry Hunter and company has that type of pull and I know that Golden Boy had some say on the judges. It almost sounds like they were mad because the judges didn't kiss their asses. In my opinion Lamont did HBO a favor. Khan isn't a true marquee guy.

Personally, I don't believe that Peterson should give Khan an immediate rematch. If I was Peterson and company I would try to work out a deal with HBO and get some guaranteed dates(similar to Tim Bradley and Devon Alexander) to cash in on this opportunity. Because unlike Bradley he can draw a crowd in Memphis and DC. Plus his style is pleasing to the general public. In addition, I would try to get Mayweather. So if he loses he'll still have the belts and the guaranteed dates and it won't look bad losing to the "Money Man".

Lamont is the champion and he had better act like it. Khan and his folks are already making demands. They even choose the date.

I'm under the impression that Lamont may not be a knockout artist, but he has some pop. He had Victor Ortiz on the move and Khan. Technically they are bigger guys.

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

petzi2011

Hi petzi2011,

interesting comparison you make between Khan and Taylor. I agree that Khan has a big advantage over most, athletically and that it may not be enough sometimes--as proven by Peterson. Khan has talent, but, as you point out, some of his flaws ought to be able to be exploited by a sold, world-class fighter. He's definitely going to have to improve in a few areas.

As far as the pushing goes, watch the link I posted in a comment above. I'm not so worried about the small push-offs Khan used, but the full-fledged shoves were crazy. And there enough of them to warrant a point deduction, in my opinion.

FunkyBadger 21 pts

Have I missed the gouchietrain yet?

Seems like a good scrap overall, nothing really to complain about in the result, a likely re-match to follow come spring. Good news all round.

Thankfully this site is still an oasis of calm reasonableness amidst the gernal insanity on t'internet, I know I really shouldn't, but reading other - British - fora you'd get the idea that no fighter who ever lost a bout (Hatton, Froch, Khan, Haye) was worth the candle, and the one who didn't (Calzaghe) was a protected goon too scared to ever show his face outside Cardiff. I swear most commenters don't actually enjoy boxing.

Still, having tilted at a windmill and now looking through my monocle I think Khan could still give Mayweather some trouble, Mayweather's an inside spoiling genius (nothing like as hamfisted as Khan in there) but doesn't really attack on the inside, rather pot-shotting from outside. And his legs looked... leaden?... against Ortiz. Not that they needed to be more, but that inkling of a weakness plays to Khan's strengths and their styles seem compatable.

Anyway, looking forward to the next fights from both Petersen and Khan.

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

FunkyBadger

Hi Funky Badger, welcome back to my nightmare. Nobody misses anything around here, or, strangely enough, everybody misses everything, which amounts to the same thing.

I agree, anytime a 9-1/10-1 underdog comes through--in a good, tough fight--it's great news for everyone. Khan will back and people will be glad to see him again--so long as he drops the Boa Constrictor with arms act. It's also crazy reading about who is not worth anything after a loss. I sometimes harp on that when it comes to these Fantasy League P-4-P lists, which overtake reality sometimes and create absurd expectations and upsets/calamities where none exist. Especially the one loss means you're done school.

Why anyone would slag Calzaghe is beyond me....I really miss seeing his girlfriend on TV, that's for sure.

Mayweather is not an inside fighter, like you say, but if Khan pulls the old "let me stand against the ropes with my gloves up" act, I suspect he'll be face down soon after. Not the proper look to give a fighter with that kind of hand speed and variety. And Khan will not be forcing Mayweather to move on those 30-something legs that way. That's a strange tic Khan has, one I noted before here on TCS, but one that looked worse against Peterson once the referee took away his clinching and holding. Still, I'd pay to see that fight.

FunkyBadger 21 pts

thenonpareil The line on Calzaghe seems to be: he was protected, he never fought no-one, only went to America when his opponents were old and rubbish etc. it hurts. Never mind he finished Lacy's career - who was favourite when they fought, I believe - or would waltz though the Super Six without so much as breaking sweat... he left his wife a while ago though, is this who you're thinking of? http://www.virginmedia.com/tvradio/realitytv/reality-tv-romances-and-rumours.php

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

FunkyBadger

Hi Funky Badger,

The only black marks on Calzaghe's career that I can think of at the moment are the Robin Reid fight, the Chris Eubank farce, and the fact that some of his bouts were dull because of his brittle hands. And he's no different than any other moneymaking fighter as far as competition goes. Some of his opponents were middling at best, but Hopkins, Brewer, Kessler, Lacy, Mitchell, Reid, Bika, and Woodhall is a pretty good group, in my opinion, and he showed a real prizefighter's attitude in the ring--coming back from knockdowns, shifting gears, winning while injured, and scoring an upset. Whatever his weaknesses in the ring were, they're irrelevant since no one could take advantage of them. Now that I have a Hall of Fame vote, I'll be happy to put a check by his name when the time comes.

That is not the lady I remember, by the way, although she's pretty hot, too. This was about 10 years ago, I recall, a raven-haired beauty! All I could say to myself was, "That lucky S.O.B.!"

rufus.t.firefly 6 pts

Nice review. I was frustrated by Khan as a viewer, the sequence seemed to be: flurry, push or hold, run, nod your head. Not necessarily in that order. He was completely clueless on the inside. If I remember correctly even the knockdown was tainted by a sharp push with his elbow.

I also was a bit frustrated with Peterson's corner. I felt like I was getting Peterson's life story presented with 3 minute intervals. I got confused whether his trainer was trying to inspire his fighter or the television audience. I mean I am pretty sure Peterson has heard his life story dozens of time.

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

rufus.t.firefly

Hi RTF,

thanks. You know, the fight was fun despite Khan's attempts at spoiling. And it was because the referee refused to allow him to hold excessively. Otherwise, can you imagine the disaster that would have occurred if Khan was allowed to squeeze, cuddle, and wrestle the whole night?

Hunter is a funny guy in the corner. He's definitely got a great voice, though, he should be a ring announcer when he's not training fighters.

stevenfromwashington 7 pts

Khan may have "lost little" in the way of the puffery of his promotional parade, but, in addition to his tawdry alphabet trinkets, he also lost the progress he'd been making- however specious- in his perennial campaign to resurrect an illusion of impregnability, if such an illusion ever existed at all. First it was Prescott that sent him back to the drawing board, then Maidana, and now, Peterson.

If Bradley or Ortiz EVER took pause in their risk/reward assessments of Khan, surely now they are convinced that the water feels fine, even refreshing. One need only splash Khan in the face and he goes all wide-eyed and sputtery, as though he's been unceremoniously dunked in a pool of his own effrontery. And dear God, could there be a man more frighteningly fit for the job of dragging Khan to the proverbial deep water than Bradley, and drowning the impish Brit once and for good?

Whether it is God, Peterson, or Cooper we have to thank, just count our bilious blessings that the wretched specter of Mayweather/Khan has itself been dowsed- with unholy water- tssssss

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

stevenfromwashington

Hi Stevenfromwashington,

thanks for writing. Sounds like you're not a Khan fan, and I guess Khan will lose many more fans after all that hugging, running, and shoving. Most modern fighters suffer from ridiculous over-hyping and worship. Here, I try to keep things rational--some say "negative"--about the accomplishments and abilities of fighters, few of whom deserve the self-perpetuating media myths surrounding them.

thenonpareil 37 pts

COMMENT FROM BOXANNE (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

Thank you for an excellent article. Agree with everything you said. Nothing much wrong with Cooper at all, a little slow footed. One thing is, because people base expectations (stupidly) on appearances, he didn’t completely look the part–ill-fitting pants, lightish grey ones at that, blobby shirt, not tuckin in and trimmed up. I wonder if unconsciously a lot of those impugning him are reacting shortsightedly to the lack of dark, sharp-creased cop-look pants with cop-blue shirt. Shouldn’t matter, didn’t to me, but I’m guessing that has something to do with the negative reaction to him.

Poor styling notwithstanding, however, I thought Cooper did all right, really never blew a call, maybe late with the point deduction–I counted a bare minimum of 9 clear fouls in round 11 alone, there were more than that. Round 11 would have been a better time to take the point. So what? Cooper remains in the right for me.

thenonpareil 37 pts

COMMENT FROM ChristopherCabradilla (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

this decision was BS! khan won the fight 113-112! the referee is biased, he shouldn’t deduct a point “by pushing ” on a close fight like that specially on the championship rounds , he decided the fight! heck fraudfloyd never gets deducted using his elbows to shove his opponents heads! I wonder how much money the referee received. it was a close fight but khan pulled it at the end, he put lamont on the floor, he staggered lamont one time and lamont looking spent on the later rounds.. lamont looks like the loser! it was a home town decision!

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

I hear you, Christopher!

thenonpareil 37 pts

COMMENT FROM ROLLYCAFUIR (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

The way I saw it, w/o the 2 pts. deductions, Amir is the clear winner and nothing more but a hometown decision. If only Kenny Bayless there, this will not happen.

BoxAnne 5 pts

Thank you for an excellent article. Agree with everything you said. Nothing much wrong with Cooper at all, a little slow footed. One thing is, because people base expectations (stupidly) on appearances, he didn't completely look the part--ill-fitting pants, lightish grey ones at that, blobby shirt, not tuckin in and trimmed up. I wonder if unconsciously a lot of those impugning him are reacting shortsightedly to the lack of dark, sharp-creased cop-look pants with cop-blue shirt. Shouldn't matter, didn't to me, but I'm guessing that has something to do with the negative reaction to him.

Poor styling notwithstanding, however, I thought Cooper did all right, really never blew a call, maybe late with the point deduction--I counted a bare minimum of 9 clear fouls in round 11 alone, there were more than that. Round 11 would have been a better time to take the point. So what? Cooper remains in the right for me.

.

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

BoxAnne Hi Boxanne,

thanks and welcome back. Alec Kohut from Maxboxing, who was at ringside for the fight and goes to D.C. area matches all the time, left a couple of insightful comments on Cooper below (somewhere in the chaos of TCS). Apparently, Cooper was his usual self on Saturday night. I don't think he's a bad ref--a little over-zealous, perhaps--but I'm amazed to see so many people up in arms about enforcing the rules. I wasn't concerned about some of the smaller pushes, but the full-steam-ahead shoves were pretty blatant. Khan deserved at least the first penalty, without a doubt, and since he actually shoved more during the late rounds, it stands to reason that he deserved the second one as well.

Andrew Fruman 14 pts

Good stuff, Carlos.

In the heat of the moment, I thought the second deduction was a bit much. I wasn't outraged by it, as some where, but wasn't totally on board with it. That said, given all the warnings Khan received, and they were for legitimate infractions, the second point wasn't unwarranted. I think we're all so used to seeing officials slack off in their duties, that when a ref calls the rules properly, it's all too stunning to cope with. Cooper called it properly, and he doesn't deserve the criticism being leveled at him by some.

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

Andrew Fruman

Hi Andrew,

Thanks. After watching the video The Boxing Truth put together, I'm less doubtful about the second poin deduction. The problem, really, is that Khan continued to defy Cooper--blatantly. The man said stop doing something and Khan refused to comply, in fact, he did more of it. So maybe Khan is a knucklehead, I don't know.

I agree about people not used to seeing officials actually enforcing rules and I was shocked--well, maybe I shouldn't have been--to see that some people do not know that pushing and shoving is illegal in boxing. So is excessive holding, for that matter.

dennis wise 9 pts

I downloaded the SKY broadcast, because I had way to much time on my hands today, and because I wanted to see the British reaction. Their post fight panel had no complaints about the deductions and gave a lot of credit to Peterson. Professional stuff.

thenonpareil 37 pts moderator

dennis wise

dennis wise

Hi Dennis, I'll have to check that out.Lordy, this commenting system is killing me...Anyway, that's good to hear. If the British are saying that, I honestly think all this "controversy" should be squashed, because many of the announcers I've heard are shameless homers, like in the Herelenius-Chisora fight.

rufus.t.firefly 6 pts

dennis wise I don't know if it is the same UK channel, but I watched the Pacquiao-Marquez fight on a British channel. It was surreal, Amir Khan was the commentator and the whole fight seemed to be a build up for two guys going mental afterwards. The studio that looked like it was made of cardboard was quaking while Steve Bunce demanded a pound of flesh for all the injustices in boxing.

thenonpareil 37 pts

COMMENT FROM RazaBhattiJandanwala (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

aamir khan is best. umpair are not good result.

thenonpareil 37 pts

COMMENT FROM MAURIKI (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

Carlos, great insights. Respect when a writer clarify what is just a cloud of confusion after the final bell. I just watched the fight again and think LP did a very consistent job, not flashy but solid while {Khan} seemed to believe that flashy flurries can steal rounds all the time.

thenonpareil 37 pts

Hi Mauriki,

thanks, buddy, i appreciate it. Although I often try to avoid clouds of confusion, I often seem to find myself in them, especially here on TCS.

I agree with you, to an extent, that Peterson was consistent. At times, however, he did seem to wait a little too long. Khan threw some nice flurries, but, as you say, they seemed at times calculated as more of a bluff. Early on, he seemed more confident with his punches and stepped-in behind them--overstepped, actually.

It was a very good fight and even with the point deductions, very close. This is another strange aspect: the fever with which people are arguing over a fight Khan might have won by a point on the cards of two judges.

thenonpareil 37 pts

COMMENT FROM ALECKOHUT (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

What I found interesting, is that Khan did seem to be holding excessively, and while holding, he was looking at the ref as if the ref was missing something, as if Peterson was doing something wrong. What was clear is Peterson took Khan completely out of his game, and that Peterson lost all respect for his power by round 7. If not sooner.

I did talk to Cooper about 20 minutes after the fight, and he stated clearly that Khan refused to listen to the warnings and felt he had no choice but to take the second point. And Cooper was very relaxed, not defensive at all, he was completely comfortable with his decision. Again, he did ref the fight exactly how he’s ref’d all the fights I’ve seen him do.@thenonpareil

thenonpareil 37 pts

thenonpareil Hi Alec,

Khan claimed that Peterson was butting him, but I didn't see a single notable head butt throughout the fight. I agree with you: Peterson just seemed to make Khan uncomfortable, and when Khan could not hold, he sort of started falling apart, although he did well not to stay in the fight.

I would like to see Cooper again, actually, which will probably make people think I'm taking peyote.

thenonpareil 37 pts

COMMENT FROM MANDER (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

there is no such thing as to the statement that the last round is not the best way to deduct a point in a close fight. every round is the same as far as a referee is concern in his right mind. one of the main jobs of the third man in the ring is to insure a very clean fight as much as possible and has every right to impose deduction in any round be it the first or the last when one of the fighters does not comply not to engage in illegal tactics or dirty tactics every now and then. in this fight, khan is simply the dirty fighter ignoring the frequent warnings thinking maybe cooper is just another cortez( looking back at mayweather hatton fight where cortez made so many warnings to floyd jr,’s frequent elbowing with the latter not hedding while the former was afraid to give a point deduction eliciting a suspect that joe cortez is in the payroll of the undefeated black fighter)…

thenonpareil 37 pts

RESPONSE TO BAHOPUWET

Hi, did you really think you were gonna show up here with your racist garbage? You got me confused with another website--maybe the boxingtribulation.com. But just in case anyone would like to trade slurs with you I've posted your--probably fake--email address:

[email protected]

So long, you lowlife, racist piece of shit.

thenonpareil 37 pts

COMMENT FROM ALEC KOHUT (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

Hey Carlos,

Excellent points! Being from the DC area and having seen Joe Cooper officiate many fights, let me add this.

Joe Cooper has always been a “take control” kind of referee. He is known to stop action, and admonish fighters with stern warnings, and take points if they don’t comply. So either the Khan’s team knew this when they approved him, or just plain failed to do their homework.

The fact that Oscar got up at the press conference and cried like someone in women’s clothes was ridiculous. A simple call to any boxing fan or reporter in DC would have told Khan’s people the kind of ref Cooper is, and was Saturday night.

Joe Cooper ref’d the fight, the way he does every fight. You don’t like it, don’t approve him.

– Alec

thenonpareil 37 pts

Hi Alec,

Where you been, man? I lost track of you somewhere in cyberspace, which, unfortunately is not uncommon for me.

Anyway, thanks for checking in. You would think world-class operators would find out things like that beforehand, but when you have Alex Ariza working corners, I guess you can't expect too much reconnaissance. Maybe they were trying to avoid Kenny Chevalier in the ring!

Thanks for the update on Cooper. I think he screwed up the two knockdowns early and the 12th round deduction was cock-eyed, but I certainly prefer that kind of refereeing style than the see nothing, hear nothing school of officiating.

I've worn myself out over the last two years lampooning Oscar De La Hoya and GBP. By now, these guys are lampoon-proof, transvestitism or not.

As a spectator, do you feel that Khan was holding, grabbing, and pushing excessively? To me, paradoxically, because Khan was not allowed to hold, he had to try and hold more often. Good grief, does that even make any sense?

dennis wise 9 pts

Great point about the inconsistency in complaints from the Cortez in the Maidana fight to Cooper last night. I can't stand excessive clinching. I will always appreciate a ref that works to keep it a minimum. The second deduction was unfortunate, though. If he is going to let Khan repeatedly get away with it for the entire second half of the fight, the last round of the fight is too late in my opinion to get start enforcing it again. Otherwise, it comes off as a hometown move which isn't necessarily the case.

I'm looking forward to the Ward Froch fight Saturday but what are the odds it makes Khan Peterson look clean in comparison? Another week of controversy ahead!

thenonpareil 37 pts

dennis wise

Hi Dennis,

As I mentioned to JPF, some of that stuff is to be expected, but you used the right word with "excessive" in this case. I agree with you about the timing of the second deduction--it was weak to do that with less than a round left and it gives the impression that Cooper was looking to even things up. Now, I'm not suggesting he did, because I don't know and I'm not omniscient like a lot of folks are apparently, but it looked fishy.

Ward and Froch...Lawdy, what's gonna happen there? Ward has clinched way too much in the past, but these days you can't say anything about the stars without people soiling themselves. I can't say I look forward to all the howls about controversy or robbery--or whatever--next week...

thenonpareil 37 pts

FROM FUNKYPLAID (TECHNICAL DIFFICULTIES)

You’re sharp, my man. So glad that you have the sense to call out what was obvious to me through the whole fight: that Khan is not as good as they say he is. Not even the great boxing sites are mentioning this, nor are they calling on Khan’s unconscionable tactics throughout the fight. And watching here in Scotland, you should have heard the inanity of the British commentators and how rabidly they were thumping their chests about wee Amir before the end of the second round, when Peterson walked back to his corner, nodding, pointing to his heart. He knew at that moment that he had figured out Khan, and everything started to change in the 3rd. If Lamont only had some power, it would have been over then, and Amir could have gone home to look deeper into the idea of wrestling, for which he’s clearly shown a penchant.

thenonpareil 37 pts

Hi FunkyPlaid,

sorry about the technical difficulties, but your comment disappeared in the cyber ether. Not unusual around here. Anyway, thanks for writing.

Khan has many attributes, but these days a fighter cannot go about his business without being grossly overrated or some sort of P-4P superstar. When it hits daytime in the U.K., I'm sure I'll hear from the rabid British fans, who'll accuse me of American bias or some nonsense, even though I've been on record here--many times--as being anti-nationalism of any stripe in boxing. It's a ridiculous notion to judge fighters on. Besides, none of these guys today are Ken Buchanan. Khan does have talent--along with flaws--and he'll be back.

You're right about Peterson--if he had some power Khan might still be hearing birds.

JohnPaulFutbol 43 pts

CA,

great stuff. Totally agree. I thought Peterson was a credible opponent. Not a no-hoper, but I didn't think he had a chance. If that makes sense! Of course I picked Khan, I really did think his quick hands and feet would be too much. After all the post-fight bullshit, I'm glad I was wrong. It's just too much to ask that people be good sports'. I guess.

I started rooting for Khan, because he was so disliked and some of the criticism of him bordered on forum message board madness. Which of course led me to all sorts of fun on the interwebz, but my pro-Khan schtick blew up in my face last night! But hell, that dude is simply clueless on the inside, and seems to just start arm punching when he's either tired or seemingly nervous. He doesn't seem the brightest light in or out of the ring. And while I was surprised he got the points deducted, you can't say it wasn't deserved. Pretty funny that people get so bent out shape when the rules are actually enforced.

Peterson won fair and square, and good for him. Sad thing is that the focus will still be on Khan, rather than on Peterson rising to the occasion.

thenonpareil 37 pts

JohnPaulFutbol

Hi JPF,

I thought Khan would outpoint Peterson fairly convincingly, but Peterson knew what he had to do to get to Khan and he did it--sometimes not consistently and sometimes a little raggedly, but he gave up the perimeter game when he saw it was Khan's preference and strength. I'll always overrate a guy for making adjustments--since few fighters ever do it--so I'm now ready to overrate Peterson's ring genius!

Holding, clinching, shoving--some of that is all right, but Khan went overboard and this time he had a ref who called him on it. To me, Khan is so awful on the inside, it's almost embarrassing. You don't have to be Jake LaMotta in the trenches, but what Khan does is absurd. It was more obvious in this fight because the referee wouldn't allow much holding, so you could see he had no alternative but to stand there and get fucked up.

I still like Khan, but--like you--i think it's weak, his weeping. He had a chance to separate himself from all the loud-mouthed, obnoxious mopes in boxing today, and he decided to join them instead.

But I hear you re: reactionary forum board stuff. Did you see another P-4-P fighter lost last night? I remember writing a few months ago that those lists are idiotic & having Segura on there was one reason....Just let fighters fight and stop anointing them with holy water just so you can pretend to be an expert! Now Viloria is Godzilla because he beat Segura....good grief....

Yeah, it's pretty funny when people cry because a ref decided not to allow dry humping in the ring...I'm not saying Cooper is a great ref or anything, but the kind of stuff Khan was doing last night was just crazy. Personally, I think you can do you what you can get away with, but some guys are getting away with murder these days. Did you see people comparing Cooper with Mora? Ridiculous. Mora favored the perpetrator and Cooper favored the victim. How the fuck is that equal?

Your going to have to find a new forum heavybag to back these days. Hmm...well, there's still Chavez Jr.

JohnPaulFutbol 43 pts

thenonpareil Just wait until Chavez Jr. starts making adjustments. And if Martinez continues to duck, I say he just pitches a tent outside GBP headquarters and offers to lick any SOB in the house for a month or two.