Kermit Cintron: The, Err, Mastermind

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BOXING: WILLIAMS VS CINTRON MAY 8

When Kermit Cintron was catapulted out of the ring on Saturday night against Paul Williams, it sparked the usual mindless drivel about heart and courage.

The Cruelest Sport has been accused of being harsh, incendiary, and angry, but it is one of the few sites where a fighter is not immediately called a “dog” or a “coward” when something unforeseen happens. TCS has come out in defense of Robert Guerrero, Andre Dirrell, and Nate Campbell after they were excoriated for actions some folks–whose critical acumen, or lack thereof, can be measured in the forums of several “high traffic” websites, just make sure to have an airsickness bag ready–deemed craven. Like much that takes place in boxing, whatever happened while Cintron was on the arena floor will probably never truly be known. The doctor, Paul Wallace, told The Los Angles Times that Cintron said “no” when he was asked if he could continue and that Cintron changed his mind when he realized the fight would be stopped. Cintron claims that he wanted to continue after recovering from having the wind knocked out of him.

Under the strange circumstances, the possibility of miscommunication seems fairly high (naturally, the HBO broadcast team thought it wise to talk over what transpired at ringside instead of trying to catch the drama of the moment) but not to some of the unforgiving few watching from La-Z-Boys. As usual, everyone outside of the ring is an expert (for this case, forum barkers and semi-literate bloggers woke up with doctorates in kinesiology, inverse dynamics, physics, psychology, and Method acting), while the actual participants are all fools.

Kermit Cintron, for some reason, really brings out the cyber-odium. But what has Cintron done to earn lasting enmity? And does he deserve it? Like most undeserved reputations, the answer is no. The Anti-Cintron campaign began with his loss to Antonio Margarito in 2005. Cintron did not just lose to Margarito, he was annihilated, suffering four knockdowns and a cut on the way to a fifth-round blowout loss. Much has been made of the fact that Cintron wept in the ring after his loss to Margarito, but numberless fighters–including tough guys like Jake LaMotta and Tony Ayala Jr–have shed tears after a bout. Juan Diaz wept almost uncontrollably in a post-fight interview and Chris Arreola went on the kind of crying jag usually seen on daytime soap operas and at funerals.

After racking up a few wins, what does this “coward” do? Three years after his first loss, Cintron asks for and receives a rematch with Margarito. Not many fighters would ever get back in the ring with someone who obliterated them, but Cintron did. Of course, he lost the rematch, too, and that only added strange fuel to the fire. Even when Cintron beat hyped favorite Alfredo Angulo last summer, one could hear about how he ran or got lucky.

Then came the absurd Martinez fight where Cintron was basically counted out, but allowed to continue by referee Frank Santore Jr. in one of the most dunderheaded moves ever perpetrated in a boxing ring. Somehow, Cintron was excoriated for this as well by the countless clueless. But think about it: Cintron is such a “coward” that he successfully talked his way back INTO a fight against an opponent who had just knocked him out. Boy, that Cintron sure is a dog.

Against Williams, Cintron was boxing well, picking his shots, and a only a few moments before the shambolic finish, staggered “The Punisher” with a hard right hand that left Williams unsteady on his feet for the remainder of the abbreviated round. The particulars of the ringside stagedive are rendered practically irrelevant due to the extraordinary circumstances surrounding them, but the responses to these unforeseen and haphazard incidents are typical. Incredibly, Cintron is seen in some quarters as having orchestrated the entire event for his own benefit. So, Cintron somehow got Williams to pull him forward, hurled himself out of the ring, and got the ringside physician to halt the bout, all in a dastardly plan to avoid practicing his chosen profession in a fight he was doing well in and that could have, if he won, led him to the biggest paycheck of his career. Maybe Cintron should give up his boxing career, as he has threatened, and join the Secret Society of Super Villains because this dude has serious dark powers.

In the end, Cintron, who has rarely had luck on his side during his career, is probably just a victim of circumstances. That, of course, will never satisfy teeth grinders across the globe.

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That should read: "5 minutes of recovery time before he can make the call as to whether he wants to continue".

I don't think I could have stated it any better Carlos. Cintron's a local guy, so I am going to root for him in any event. But, like JPF, I dig in even further after reading some of the bile and vitriol that has been directed at him ever since Margs I (only a small portion of which is deserved in my estimation).

My initial reaction at Saturday's events was merely resignation. Not again-- what in the universe attracts Cintron to controversy like a magnet. But watching the replay on Sunday a couple things struck me:

1. HBO/Lederman clearly state pre-fight that the bout was under the Unified (not Cali) rules. And that 4 rounds had to be complete. How does that "change" post fight? Isnt that contractually agreed upon in advance?

2. The "dive" charge is ridiculous and not worthy of rebutting. And, while its hard to imagine a Gatti handling the situation in the same way, who can really say how hard he fell in the immediate aftermath and disruption/confusion, and immediately determine if he's badly hurt or just had the wind knocked out. He's clearly holding his neck/side immediately afterward, and the Doctor is immediately on top of him keeping him immobile as if he's a car accident victim. A guy is trying to win a fight, and doing pretty well to that point, but is suddenly going to change his thinking on the dime in light of an event no one could have forseen in advance and "seize" a win on a "technicality". Give me a break. Good for calling these skeptics out CA. Its ridiculous.

3. My suspicions are only further raised by the DOCTOR giving a self-serving press statement which tries to justify the way the situation was botched. Anyone who prefaces a statement with an "IF ONLY he would have asked for more time" is engaging in rationalization for his own mistakes. Plus, conspiciously absent is any indication of WHEN he asked the "can you continue" question he now claims to have asked and without examining him at all? (And-- side note: what part of doctor/patient confidentiality allows him to go to the press to try to justify his actions?)). Even assuming the doctor is not engaging in revisionist history and taking his comments at face value, doesn't that question have to get asked NOT IN THE IMMEDIATE AFTERMATH and CONFUSION of falling out of the ring, but ONLY AFTER Cintron is alotted the full 5 minutes of time in which to recover? How does a guy who has JUST fallen out of the ring, has a doctor hovering over him and keeping him immobile know if he can continue at that very moment? Does a ref immediately ask after a low blow whether a fighter can continue, or does the fighter first get his 5 minutes of recovery before he can recover? The rules need to protect a fighters interests when some chaos such as this occurs-- it strikes me as that the Calif folks didn't know the rules, didn't know how to handle in the immediate aftermath, and did Cintron a disservice. It needs to be undone.

4. Props to PWill in the immediate aftermath for not acting as if he "won" anything. Jeers to the normally sporting Goosen for acting like he had, and then splashing cold water on a rematch which is so obviously deserved under the circumstances in light of how badly the situation was botched by Cali officials. And now Goosen is saying it should be a TKO? Get real. I'd be embarassed if I was PWill that my advocate was making such an argument, happened, and would demand that Goosen set him in a rematch (which PWill to his credit seemed to want too).

5. If I was Team Cintron, I would simply focus on the Cali Appeal and getting the "decision" changed to the "No decision" everyone knows it should be, and then work the rematch angle. There seems to be plenty of grounds: why weren't Unified rules applied to 12 round fight? when did the call to use Cali rules get made? did Cintron get his 5 minutes? Why did ref allow doctor make call without giving him the allotted time? I would not complain about how "I was robbed of a decision" because I was "fighting the perfect fight". I don't really know how to score those rounds-- but the simple fact remains there was noy enough of the fight for there to be any outcome.

No one won anything on Saturday night. Wipe the slate clean and do it over and do it right next time (maybe take it out of Cali). The sad thing is, I thought the bout was setting up to be pretty interesting (though not in a FOY sort of way), and would like to see it finished.

Good take Carlos, I have to give you respect man, you're certainly willing to swim upstream with the salmon. Cintron just doesn't seem to be able to catch a break. As I said in the preview post, I've certainly been harsh on him. But, as ridiculous as his departure from the ring looked...it's pretty hard to believe that he decided to simply press "eject." As some have speculated. However it was pretty funny looking, so it doesn't really surprise or bother me that it's become the occasion for a punchline. No further offense intended, but I seriously doubt he could think that quickly. And seriously, who is really to say what happened on the way to floor?...what he hit, where he was hit or what he felt physically. Just a crazy situation.

Cintron was looking pretty good, considering he was fighting the #3 P4P guy! And I'm being serious, with only a touch of sarcasm there. I would've had the fight 2 rounds for Cintron at that point. I have a sneaking suspicion that Williams was going to begin to let his hands go, which everyone assumes spelled trouble for Cintron....but you saw Williams a bit wobbled too. So, perhaps it would've opened the door for Cintron's heavy hands to find their mark again.

Anyway, the one fight where I turn the corner and root for Cintron he flies out of the ring! WTF? I waited all day for that fight man!

Hi JPF,

well, you know, my problem is that it's automatic for some folks...anything happens out of the ordinary and its "coward," "dog" "conspiracy," etc. How stupid is it for the guy to purposely hurl himself headfirst into a possible broken neck? Anyway, the point is, if you don't know exactly what happened, why are you so sure of one thing over another? People say, "why didn't he do this or that?" Everything is easy for some folks, I guess. I'd like to hurl some of these folks through the ropes and see what happens. Some of the slimier ones will just stick to the ring apron, no doubt. But yeah, it was pretty wild watching him vanish into thin air.

Just before Williams grabbed him--let's not forget it was Williams who got kickstarted Cintron's flight--Cintron whacked him with a right-left combo and Williams had already been wobbling. Cintron looked good in the ring and Williams was not a lock, by any means. Williams did not look good enough to enter my P-4-P ratings, that's for sure.

You waited all day and got to see the "Human Bullet!"