EASY STREET: Andre Berto TKO8 Carlos Quintana

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Andre Berto stopped tricky Carlos Quintana in the 8th round last night to defend his WKRP welterweight title at the BankAtlantic Center in Sunrise, Florida.

Quintana gave Berto, now 26-0 (20), problems early, scoring a clear knockdown within a minute of the opening bell (ruled a figment of the imagination by referee Tommy Kimmons) and jarring Berto with a hard straight left in the second, but, as expected, Berto, younger and stronger, wore him down and scored the TKO win with an explosive finish.

Berto, 26, entered the ring against Quintana with an edge in speed, power, athleticism, and youth; in addition, Quintana, who falls to 27-3 (21), has had the dreaded “downhill” look since being annihilated in one round by Paul Williams in 2008. Last night he did not resemble the fighter who slapped around Joel Julio and outboxed Williams in their first bout. The Puerto Rican veteran is a capable boxer, but he has never been “Old Ironsides” in the ring, and the punishment he took from Berto left him looking all-in by the fifth round.

It was a sloppy fight until the TKO, when Berto went after a wobbly Quintana, 33, with a two-fisted attack. On the one hand, Berto was far livelier against Quintana than he was in his last fight, a clownish decision victory over undersized Juan Urango; on the other hand, Berto did only what was expected, and until the TKO, did not look particularly good doing it. Certainly he must have broken some kind of record for whining in a single round – the first – and all the accolades he deserves for fighting through the pain of an injured arm are offset by his weak sister act when Quintana began to rough him up.

Quintana, not exactly Jake LaMotta in the clinches, practically toyed with Berto on the inside, landing uppercuts, lefts to the side of the head, and short shots to the ribs. Berto is as helpless as a puppy on the inside, and spent most of his time there appealing to Kimmons. No sooner did Quintana prove his dominance in close than Kimmons began to warn him for holding. Then Kimmons started breaking the fighters up as soon as they got within six inches of each other. Being a referee is not an easy job, so it makes sense that folks like Tommy Kimmons, surely a nice fellow, should be relegated to preliminary bouts until he proves his competence as a third man. Indeed, from the moment Berto went down from a left to the ear and blubbered on about it, Kimmons was on Quintana like a boa constrictor. He deducted a point from Quintana in the third round and castigated him for everything from rabbit punches to low blows to jaywalking. At one point, it appeared that Kimmons would deduct points from Quintana just for showing up at the BankAtlantic Center. Once Quintana was denied the opportunity to work on the inside, he was easy pickings for Berto, whose high-powered offense from the outside began to overwhelm him.

Now that Berto has shaken his ring rust–in exchange for a seven-figure purse–perhaps he can go out now and earn the status prematurely accorded to him by HBO and the usual suspects who gorge themselves at hype troughs throughout cyberspace. Berto has unfinished business against Luis Collazo, but strangely, despite having been the mandatory challenger off and on according to the whims of the WBC, Collazo is heading to Turkey to fight Selcuk Aydin for the “interim” version of the title Berto already owns. Team Berto once thought about facing Aydin in Europe, but, of course, with million dollar paydays from HBO and near-empty arenas waiting for him in America, opted against it. Some boxers, it seems, just have it easier than others.

Unlike Dana White of the UFC, who was irate at another lame Anderson Silva performance and will look to downgrade his fighter, HBO keeps on shelling out exorbitant amounts of ducats for boxers who neither perform well nor draw a crowd. To top it all off, these fighters almost always enter the ring as 4 to 1 favorites. This equation probably qualifies as a Millennium Prize Problem and someone ought to submit it to the Clay Mathematics Institute as soon as possible.

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Yo Los,

Was the Clay Mathematics/Millennium Prize reference inspired that article in the recent NY Review about that nutty Russian chap?

Nah, man...they got that from me!

Hey Carlos,

Thanks for the reply. I can't really argue with your logic! And I will be sure to post some questions I have for you in your next Sound & Fury column.
Believe it or not, I'm not into the whole Twitter thing! I don't even know how it works, so I don't know if I need an account to follow your posts. If I don't then I'll look you up.

HI Nick,

Sorry for the delay in response. I lose track of things around here sometimes. So, about Twitter, I don't know a lot about it because I'm not tech savvy, but I think you just have to register if you want to receive my Tweets in real time. That sounds idiotic. Sometimes, when I go to a show for example, I will Tweet about what's going on live, like at the Martinez-Pavlik fight, where I Tweeted some funny stuff that no one will ever know about because I barely exist in cyberspace. In that case, it's cool, but mostly I just use Twitter to make things up and to update you whenever I post something on TCS. Otherwise, I think you can just click on the little Twitter symbol above on the right and you can just see what I post that way. This is probably the worst explanation of Twitter ever.....

Hey Carlos,

I know this is totally random but I was wondering if you have ever thought of doing a mailbag? I have so many things that I'd like to get your opinion on, but they don't necessarily relate to your recent posts.

Hi Nick,

Thanks for writing. There are a few reasons I don't have a mailbag.

1) I don't have enough readers. My mailbag would have three questions a week. Also, since this is a one-man-gang operation, it would take too much time.

2) I don't have an opinion on everything that goes on in boxing and much of what happens in boxing is not worth having an opinion on. Boxing is 75% hype and PR. I try to pick subjects I'm interested in and write as well as I can about them. This distinguishes TCS from sites that throw up 3-4 poorly written posts a day on nonsense. These sites are driven by posting quotas that I refuse to conform to.

3) Mailbags are another way for folks to spout on and be self-important. I don't know everything about boxing. You read some other sites and everyone seems to know everything about everything, including all the flyweights in Turkmenistan. One reason I didn't write about Caballero-Yordan, for example, is because I didn't feel I knew enough about Yordan. It was amusing reading other experts pontificating about a fighter with limited clips on Youtube, and only 10 rounds fought in the US prior to his bout with Caballero. No doubt many of these experts have vast contacts in Indonesia and have seen every round he ever fought, but I don't and I haven't.

TCS is on Twitter now, though, and I usually tweet something once a day...you can click on the Twitter tab above if you're interested in my pithy take on contemporary boxing.

Also, when I write a Sound & Fury column that covers lots of events, you're welcome to ask any question in the comments section and I'll try to answer it as best I can. If I don't know the answer, I'll say, "I don't know."

Try finding someone who says "I don't know" on another site!!!!

Berto is so confident with his win to Quitana and challenging Pacquiao. Is he insane?

The first round whining was horrible. The punches he claimed were hitting him in the back of the head were clearly legal. I really can't see Berto beating anybody at or near the top of 147.

Hi Martin,

Berto did what he was supposed to do: take out a weathered vet no longer at his best, but he sometimes looked ragged doing so. His inside game is weak and it might be time someone started questioning his chin...He certainly offers no threat to Mayweather, Mosley, or Pacquiao, but he probably wouldn't be considered as an opponent for them any longer since he can barely draw 3,000 people in his hometown in a charity event....

CA,

All things considered, I didn't really find Berto very impressive at all. But, I'm sort of pre-conditioned to not find Berto impressive. His sizzle to steak ratio is pretty awful and I just can't stand those types. He seems to have tons of flaws, I don't really think his age is a viable excuse considering he holds a belt, and is part of HBO's entitlement program. He seems very easy to hit, and it's sort of odd..he seems to sort of pull his head back at times when he's throwing his right. All his whining and Kimmons' complicitness in the "okey doke" just pisses me off. You made a really good point re: Berto's inability to fight on the inside and Kimmons' doing what he could to make sure it didn't factor. Anyway, good analysis, you pointed out some stuff people seem to willingly ignore.

You have any insight into why the Collazo rematch never happened? I'd assumed it was sort of avoided. But, I'd been told it may have had something to do with purse split and Collazo making big demands.

I wasn't really buying into Berto fighting through the injury...because I figured it might have been brought on by his vigorous swings at the air.

Hi JPF,

There aren't many fighters these days who can get anything done on the inside, but Berto is beyond clueless...the only guys who are worse are probably Kessler and Dirrell...What drives me nuts is that the modern fighter (or his team) doesn't seem to strategize enough to exploit the flaws of his opponent....Maidana knows what to do on the inside against those who want to waltz, though: don't let the mother----er rest!!!!!

Anyway, Berto is a good fighter who looked so-so because of inactivity and because Quintana, although just about done, is still smart enough to make trouble. Berto is an HBO phantom, but that's because outside of the ring he is personable, intelligent, and stylish. The problem here--as with HBO fighters in general--is that Berto is wildly overpaid, not slightly, but wildly. He pulled down over $1m to fight Quintana and HBO has now priced him out of major bouts (unless it's a huge one like Pacquiao or Mayweather) like they almost did with the Mosley fight. Berto's team was like, "That's all we're gonna get to fight Mosley? We got more than that to fight Urango!"

That's issue #1. Issue #2 is a pet peeve of mine: sell some fucking tickets, get some fucking ratings and then get paid!!!!! Berto drew roughly 3,000 people to a CHARITY/BENEFIT CARD in his hometown!!! That means even people with a social conscience didn't want to pay to see him fight, even for a good cause. HBO apparently comes up with pay scales for some of these guys by means of narcomancy. Meanwhile guys who can actually sell tickets and garner ratings, Adamek, for example, are nowhere to be found. The only way Adamek gets to be on HBO nowadays is by moving up in weight and conceding a possible 75 pounds to another house clubfighter--Cris Arreola. Arreola at least draws viewers to HBO. The same cannot be said for a fellow like Chad Dawson.

I try not to openly like or dislike fighters here--I do criticize, but not cheerlead--but the quickest way for me to dislike a fighter is for him to be overpaid for fighting chumps (without being able to draw fans), being protected by a network (and a ref), and, most of all, showing poor comportment or character in the ring.

Here is the Collazo story as I see it: No matter what you read anywhere else, it's simple: Collazo was the mandatory for Berto. Period. Collazo has since been displaced as the #1 WBX contender, for reasons that no one will be able to explain, by Aydin. Now Collazo is going to fight Aydin for the "interim" version of a belt Berto currently holds. But the fact remains, Collazo was Berto's mandatory contender and the fight never happened. According to Dan Rafael, HBO did not want to pay more than it did for the first fight. Of course, it will pay Berto outrageous sums to fight Juan Urango and Carlos Quintana, but will not pay for a rematch of a fight of the year contender. Lou Dibella told Boxingscene that HBO was not "interested" in Berto-Collazo II. Draw your own conclusions.

I-I-I, ME-ME-ME, MYSELF-MYSELF-MYSELF (sorry, still suffering from Fitzstuporous syndrome) noticed that Kimmons started to break them apart as soon as they came out of their corners. Predictable is what it was. As you said, as soon as it became apparent that Berto was clueless on the inside, Kimmons didn't allow any infighting...not unlike what Joe Cortez did in Hatton vs. Mayweather when he saw Hatton being effective on the inside. (I can still hear Joe now..."BREAK, BREAK, BREAK, BREAK!-STOP,STOP,STOP,STOP!") I'm still haunted by it...

Hi JDL,

Lyle Fitzstuporous definitely has to expand his vocabulary.

Kimmons was atrocious. Cortez was incompetent with Hatton-Mayweather, but Kimmons was on a different level: straight up favoritism. Florida has some of the worst referees in the business. Importing Laurence Cole would have made more sense. This is the same state, after all, that uses god-awful Frank Santore Jr. and skittish Tellis Assimenios.

Berto would have beaten Quintana anyway, I think, but why make it a certainty? Doesn't Berto have it easy enough in boxing? Do knockdowns have to be discounted against him as well?